Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of Living on Blockchain. Today we are speaking to Aditi Chopra. We are thrilled to have her.
She’s a dynamic force in the Web3 space. She’s joining us on this podcast. She has a lot of experience in terms of growth, community, and she’s also a marketing expert.
She has worked with CoinDCX. She has her own initiatives as well that help more women to get in the space called Super Women DAO. She’s working on that.
She also consults many projects. So in this particular episode, we dive into the evolution of Web3 marketing and the strategies and how data-driven growth is shaping projects left, right, and center. This was a very, very interesting conversation because we touched upon the meme coin phenomenon as well and how authenticity becomes the key to forging a good community.
I can’t wait for you guys to hear this. Let’s deep dive right in. Hi Aditi, thank you so much for making the time to speak to me today.
How are you doing? Hey Tarusha, thank you so much for having me on Living on Blockchain. I’m excited that we’re finally going to have a chit-chat after knowing each other. He’s been connected for a couple of years now.
Yeah. There’s lots of things happening in the market as you can see. An entire political family just, you know, trying to rob the meme coin.
And it’s like the entire family’s doing meme coins. His and his sons also and family and all of that. So it’s just been a little too overwhelming to sort of understand because every day you wake up there’s a new thing and then this constant form of another chance of making that generational wealth that I missed.
So that’s been sort of a very overwhelming sentiment in crypto for me. But otherwise, there’s things happening on superwoman side. There’s something that I am planning and working on in terms of figuring out a plan for developer onboarding and looking at newer venues.
And there’s also some work. I’m helping out my dad with the family business. So yes, very much in crypto, sort of learning more at this point, experimenting more.
I took a break from my last job at Kindy6 in October last year. I think that is pretty much how any crypto journey goes. You’re constantly learning and unlearning.
And moving forward, even though, as you said that, you know, you do feel a sense of that, you know, you missed out on another chance, perhaps at times. And yeah, but you know, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to the meme coins bit.
But for our listeners, let’s set a little context. Tell us a little about yourself and how you got into Web3 and how you, you know, started Superwoman DAO and tell us a little about your job at Kindy6 as well. So for me, I have been in crypto for about three and a half years or more now.
Like the overall time span that I’ve spent in this space. And I was working with Fintechs in 2021. And I had just gotten out of EF’s batch also where they select a couple of founders and match them and then sort of fund them as well.
And for me, the journey wasn’t as intent driven as it was for a lot of people that, hey, you know, we’re going to build an alternative, a better alternative to banking systems and a lot of theories and a lot of philosophies that were there at that point. Thing is, I was already doing community before community was this really sexy vertical that, you know, a lot of people were interested in. Because in the Fintech startup, FAMPE that I worked, we were building it for Gen Z’s, right? So just building community, building that sense of belongingness was very important for us, for the Gen Z populace to sort of relate with us as a brand.
And at that point, while I, right after my FAMPE experience, when I was with EF, I was, just to get a better sense of how to build a startup, started consulting with a few friends who were founders and were building their startups and all. And that went well. And there was a bit of word of mouth.
So then I got more clients, more startups that I could consult on non-tech side of things. And then while I was doing all of that, of course, community was an important part of the consulting that I was doing. It was also GTM, there was marketing, basically the full stack AARRR sort of a funnel.
And at that point, a Web3 startup reached out to me. It was, it’s called MESHA. They have pivoted into something new, which is more on the lines of crypto AI now, but they were building a DAO tool at that point.
And they’re like, hey, could you help us consult on community? How would we, how should we go about it? What should be our objective of this community? Where, what, why would people want to join this and all? And I just realized that it wasn’t very different. It was, the fundamentals are very same, whether Web2, Web3, because you’re eventually communities of people, right? It’s not like people have entered a new era and something, the new technology has come in. So I thought, why not? And one of the crucial reasons was that I was getting paid twice, right? For almost the same amount of work that I would be doing for Web2 startups.
And that was my reason. So it was sort of very transactional, to be honest. It wasn’t driven by a mad philosophy or a crazy belief that, hey, you know, this space is, it’s not scammy and sort of blow up and it’s the new technology and all of that.
I didn’t have those grand beliefs in my mind at that point. But once I entered, I’m like, okay, wow, it is because as a community builder, I felt like, oh, there’s a lot more for me to do here to experiment. And community truly has value just beyond marketing here.
It is, it is what people, most people and most projects start with and then succeed because of. So that drove my interest. And then I started studying, learning more, got involved, started attending events like all of us in our initial, you know, stages in crypto sort of go in.
And that’s when I realized that even after attending a couple of these events and trying to talk to people in this space, it was comparatively still a very smaller community back then. Right now, I think we still have a thousand people, two thousand people in Bangalore that would be in crypto at that point. There were just those known 50, 60 people who were there everywhere.
We were all meeting with each other only. And that’s when I realized that, hey, you know, maybe I ended up in this thing, but I would find myself to be amongst the very few, like countable on my fingers, like four or five women or sometimes hardly any out of these events and virtually also in the discussions that were happening, founders that I was seeing were building and all of that. I was meeting a lot of women and just a very random afternoon idea one day that, hey, you know, let me just, I’ve got a place I can host 40 women.
It just started. And then super team, it just started. It was all the rage.
So somebody, I don’t know who coined the word super women. And then the WhatsApp group was named that. And that’s how super women started.
And once the first event happened is when we truly realized that there’s a lot of value in this information exchange that’s happening. And then I sat down to figure out, hey, you know, this is what superman is going to be about. This is what we’re going to do.
This is what a structure looks like for it. Superwoman has been largely a passion project for me, something that’s not a breadwinner, something that I haven’t done full time. I mean, I’ve done full time for a couple of months, but never prolonged periods.
While I was building superman, my consulting firm was actually hired by USB startup. So I had some time, worked in superwoman and read and learned up and all. And then CoinDCX happened.
So CoinDCX is building. When I joined Opto was a much smaller initiative, a subsidiary where CoinDCX wanted to build a DeFi suite of products. And I was really interested in learning more about DeFi.
And I thought, you know, what better way than to stay close? But it’s also been built by CoinDCX. So the team comes with the experience, the data, the understanding of how it has happened. So of course, it was the best of both the worlds.
I’m going to learn DeFi and I’m also going to learn from some of the foremost builders in Web3 in the country. And that’s how Opto happened. So I joined Opto as the community lead.
And over the 1.5 years that I worked there, I became the head of community and events, looking at everything community at Opto and a few important parts of the community at CoinDCX. Because, of course, with Opto, there was a developer community. Now there was a trader community, different types of campaigns and initiatives that we were looking at.
Events became pretty core because it’s a company that’s looking forward to doing their TG very soon. So yeah, that was largely it. I headed the community and events there.
Lots of learning, lots of interesting, you know, intersections where I would be also trying to figure out, hey, you know, I am employed officially by a centralized exchange and I’m constantly marketing and selling a DeFi product because DeFi’s biggest claim to fame is we are not DeFi. So lots of understanding in terms of branding, how such products would really work, how would you build a community, how would you build a trust in people who are coming from a very DeFi focused scenario now coming to DeFi and exploring it. They’re coming for the monetary incentives, if not for the fundamentals of what DeFi offers, the decentralization and security.
So lots of, I just mentioned very umbrella learnings, but yeah, super intensive experience there as well. But then when dad needed my help for his business and I felt that, you know, no, I want to look at community in a more advanced, more evolved sort of a way. And it was also time for me to sort of take a break, step back.
Also November 2024 was extremely crucial for everyone who wanted to trade and spend time understanding the markets. So yeah, then I departed from Coinbase and that’s largely been me and my journey. Awesome.
That’s quite a varied journey. And obviously you’ve been very, very big on community, which, which, you know, takes me to meme coins and I will touch upon that in a minute, but can you tell me a little more about Superwomen DAO and you know, what are the DAO elements that that are a part of Superwomen and also what are the kind of initiatives that you guys have and how can perhaps fellow builders, you know, get in touch with you guys and be a part of this DAO? Got it. So with Superwomen, honestly, we’ve gone a lot of back and forth.
We’re trying to figure out that to what extent do we want to be a DAO, a DAO by definition, right? Whether it be the governance, whether it be the multi-sig wallet, whether the incorporation, bioming incorporation that we do, or whether it be how the financial incentives are being working in place, how active the voting is, how the proposals are coming in, all of that we’ve experimented in lucky ways. And what we realized was early on, even when we did not have Snapshot and a lot of DAO tech in place for us, there were simple poll apps, voting apps, and we experimented trying to take people, trying to understand people’s opinion and see what sort of participation in ideal, like in ideating campaigns that we do in the way, in the direction that Superwomen goes in. What sort of contribution and activity will we see participants? Early on for the first few months, it was there.
Definitely there. There was a lot of interest. There were a lot of activities.
There were a lot of, there was a lot of onboarding happening and it wasn’t just because of the efforts of things that we were doing. It was significantly also because there was this inherent hype, right? And then we realized that, you know, all the DAO elements that we’re looking at, our community is not ready yet. It’s not at that point yet where we can say that, you know, we sort of have all those proposals and all the tech in place and all the governance in place because we realized that people were more interested with the non-tangible aspects of it.
They were, in a few months, we had the participation in terms of the direction of Superwomen, the initiatives and campaigns that we were doing wasn’t happening as much, but the participation in the initiatives of the campaigns that we were doing was there. So that proposal or the governance participation sort of was fading out, but the participation, participation in the activities were there. So we realized, okay, we are better placed to grow and work as a community to eventually reach a point where we can say, yes, you know, our members are sort of working in tandem where there’s contribution on both sides of the things.
And we can actually make it as decentralized as ideally possible. And then we can also look at financial incentives or community token, all of that. In all of this process, I was hugely inspired by how Superteam has built their community, right? They are a DAO, but the only on-chain element about that community is that the NFTs that every members have loaded up with points every month.
Everything else is happening in a logical, functional manner, but off-chain. Because it’s important to first create that critical mass of member contributors, right? You can’t just have contributors. You can’t just have members.
You need people who will build things and who will then participate in those things and learn out of those things as well. So try to incorporate those things. And that’s how we’ve been.
In our DAO, like in the definition of DAO journey, I think we’re still pretty early, but want to first focus on build that community base and then eventually look at, hey, you know, now you’re ready to be a DAO because there was a certain hype about DAOs and DAO tools and all, but it all fizzled out pretty quickly because the use case couldn’t fit in with the speed of what everything that was getting built. You know, DAO Lens was by a friend. We explored that.
There were a couple of other products. Misha was also looking at DAO tooling at that point, the first startup in VendorLite. But none of it would fit in with the needs that our community had.
In terms of initiatives, we’ve been pretty experimental there as well. Sukuman started with the idea that, hey, two things have to happen. New women have, new women should be brought into this space.
Brought, I mean, not by hand or something, but if someone shows an interest, at least educate them that, hey, this entire space exists and there’s just so many things that you could do here, explore here, be your own person, all of that. And then the second was women were already there in Web3. They should actually advance.
They should actually get access to more opportunities, to learnings, to frameworks, to tech, to people, all of that, so that they are sort of climbing the ladder. With these two things, we realized that given the core team that’s there, like the council that largely does a lot of things, we’re total nine people. Only one of us was tech.
And we realized, okay, there are enough communities that are focusing on the tech part of it. Let’s focus on the collaboration, the investments, the education part. So these were the three important tenets initially to begin with.
The investments experiment that we tried didn’t quite work out because we couldn’t, truth be told, couldn’t find the sort of founder quality in the cohorts that we had that VCs would look at eventually, right? These are great builders, but they still needed some support, some incubation and acceleration and collaboration to reach a point where they would become VC investable at least at that stage. So we toned that down a little bit and then took collaboration and education and notch up, for which in 2021 and 2022, with average, we hosted 60 to 65 events, different type of events from networking to women only to educational sessions, small hackathons, all of that. And that sort of became our IP, right? The collaboration aspect, IRL and virtually through the webinars and all that.
In this process, we also worked with L’Oreal, Goldman Sachs, 10,000 Women Entrepreneurs Program, created the curriculum for them, sort of our Superwoman members became teachers and learning buddies for the people from those programs. Superwoman was also invited for World Economic Forum Davos, where I went to speak or talk about this initiative and why important to look at diversity in Web3 from the very start or the initial phases of Web3. That happened, worked with a lot of projects from the big polygons, Solana, Monad, BASE, to lots of small startups, communities, all of that.
And that’s largely been our thing where we’ve realized and with Sanctuary, which was this non-tech women-only hackathons that we did in Bangalore, we realized, okay, this is a more focused IP that we could actually continue because we think we are very well placed to look at the non-tech aspect of learning. And then all of this, we also changed our positioning from being women-only to women-focused because women can’t really grow in silos. We, I mean, as mentors, as partners, as fellow learners, we need all the meritorious people, regardless of their gender, to come into that common space.
So yeah, that’s largely been what’s happening. And going forward, there are a few things that we’re looking at. One is sort of scaling Sanctuary, doing more additions, focused around conferences.
Second is learning, but more hands-on learning. Rather than looking at blockchain one-on-one, we want to look at getting people into, having people enter more hands-on aspects in terms of trading, in terms of understanding, in terms of understanding meme coins and all of the current narratives that are out there, rather than looking at building a historical perspective for them. And the third thing that we, which is sort of something that we want to look at and what we want to do better is looking at documentation and sort of resources and content repository building, which is community contributed and community built, but it’s also very dynamic because a lot of learning resources that you see right now, they were all built in the 21-22 aspects of it, repositories and learning and all.
And we want to create a more dynamic effort, which the entire community participates in. So yeah, that’s the plan. Awesome.
Awesome. I think, you know, you made a few good points here that obviously women cannot grow in silos and, you know, it needs to be a more cohesive integrated approach that kind of does the trick, but it’s good to create these special places as well. So that, you know, there is the right amount of representation because I have been around for a while and I think, you know, the number of women obviously has increased, but you know, there is still such a long way to go.
You know, you go to these meetups or any other, any meetup in any city, I think they are plagued by the same problem. It’s mostly a sausage fest, mostly guys. And there are, there are no, there are no females.
And I do think that it happens because of two things. Perhaps women are a little different and they don’t step out as much for these meetups because, you know, it’s like a vicious cycle because they don’t see more women. So lack of representation becomes a problem.
And then obviously there are also fewer women, you know, who are in this space. In general, I think in Web3 there are a few builders and then even fewer women. So it’s great that, you know, you guys are doing such commendable work in this particular area because it’s very close to my heart as well.
Now I want to talk a little about community, you know, because I feel community has become, like you said, it’s become like the sexy bird and everybody wants to latch onto it. Everybody wants to build a community, do this, do that. But I still feel that the community aspect is completely broken in Web3 because the understanding of community is somehow, you know, engaged community mostly refers to a community that has some financial incentive perhaps associated with that said community, which is not a bad thing.
But I feel that having an engaged community is a little more cohesive than that. What are your thoughts? No, 100 percent. I mean, what has happened with the definition of immunity is that everybody sort of started taking a very universal idea of it when it’s not true, right? The idea of community is and it has to be very, very, so sorry for the door, but has to be extremely objective driven, right? Now there’s a brand that’s building a community.
There’s certain elements of the certain aspects that they would hold and they are building it around their product, their token and all of them. They’re all of these learning communities where people who are part of that community, they’re not just seeking knowledge. They’re also becoming givers first that’s there and their communities, which are not defined by fundamentals that, hey, you know, we are bringing these people or this is the host or something.
It’s just defined by a common objective or a token holder like, you know, if you look at all of these NFT communities, right? It’s not like these people know each other. They’re constantly engaging with each other, building the commonality between them that they hold a similar asset and they all want to see it grow. So there are different objectives around which communities get formed.
And it’s if you put it very simply, it’s that aspect of belongingness that do I feel that, you know, I have a part to play in making this project, this token succeed, and then I reap benefits out of it. Those benefits not all don’t always have to be financial, right? If I am part of a community and I end up learning something and I end up at a good job or building something, I have reaped the benefits of the community. And what has happened is because early on and to this date, communities is a great way for new people to enter Web3 and for people in Web3 to enter different fields.
Like today, I don’t know a lot about Deepin, but if I want to, I will try to first find some of the people in this space, the community where the conversations are happening, go try to first see what’s being talked about and then eventually get involved. So it’s become a great onboarding mechanism also. And that’s why it’s become sexy and, you know, sort of omnipresent for every project and all of that.
But engagement, when we talk about that, that now that requires different sort of efforts. You know, you’re putting people together in a common space, whether it be virtual or whether it be IRL. It’s not going to spark conversations or interest on its own, right? It needs to be driven.
There needs to be elements which are bringing people back from digressing, constant content and discussions that keeping it engaged, enough product updates, product movements, token movements for people to not lose interest. And most importantly, at the core, with Superwoman also, I realized that, that it’s a sense of friendship. With Superwoman, it’s friendship, but mostly it’s belonging.
That, hey, do I like chilling with these people? Do I like hanging out on this, this car? Because I feel vibes are immaculate. Now that’s an intangible aspect, but it is very true, right? Sometimes I look at some communities and I’m like, what’s really happening in them? What’s the hype about it? Bera Baddies is doing wonderful as a community. There’s a lot of conversation.
There’s a lot of engagement. And I don’t understand, hey, what’s happening at the core of it? But then you’ve got, um, not everything is with that, hey, the centerpiece and we all have to go and talk about it and build on it and proliferate it in each other. And then sort of realizing that there’s value, um, in being part of something, in belonging, um, sort of with something.
With Superwoman, I realized for women, not just the stranger aspect that, hey, I don’t want to go to strange places, like newer places and where most people are going to be strangers and they’re hardly going to be any women. Once you a few friends, next time you’ll probably end up checking with your friend, hey, there’s this event happening by the Selvanna, you’re going, you’re going, I’ll come. That happens a lot.
And I think that’s, that’s the feeling that communities, if they do it right, initially instill, and largely that’s when the interest in the product, the skin in the game, um, the, the element of members contributing, all of that follows through. Um, so yes, building community is one part, but building an engaged community, which constantly goes on, requires a lot of iteration and requires the admins and participating people to constant things and there’s activity happening. And then there are enough wins.
Any community, um, will not thrive if the members of the contributors, if the lurkers, they’re not seeing enough wins, right? Um, that’s extremely crucial. So even some of the communities that you will see that have, that have survived through the last three, four years are communities that have iterated themselves, that have grown, that have become structurally stronger, better. There’s a very good ratio of new members joining in versus members getting churned or members becoming inactive.
And most importantly, there’s constant new activity happening, um, which keeps it engaged. So I think that’s very important. Yeah, I think you’re right.
It has to be. Sorry, Rishabh, I lost you there. I can’t hear you.
Yeah. Yeah. I think I couldn’t hear you either.
I think there was some network issue. I would think I completely agree with what you are saying in terms of, you know, the community being engaged and the kind of value that it can provide. It doesn’t necessarily have to be financial incentive, which can be something as simple as getting like a sense of belonging, perhaps making a few friends on the way and feeling a little less alone, perhaps, while you’re on this journey.
And if you do good, financial incentives do come in, right? Like, I mean, it’s a super team I’ve seen, totally contributors got massive airdrops from Bong and Jito when it happened because they were involved in the process. They consulted, they’d helped out, they’d created that thing, right?
And also we saw that, you know, when we did the Sanctuary first edition, right, or right to a certain extent, now there’s support, there’s better incentives that we can provide for the next initiative that happens, whether it be participants or partners or organizers, whatever. So it may not be there from day one, but it eventually comes, it becomes the contribution that that community or the impact that that community is creating outside of it and for its own members. Right.
Yeah, I think you’ve got that right. Now, you know, I want to touch a little upon meme coins, because meme coins often tend to gain traction due to community enthusiasm. How do you sort of see their role evolving in Web3 space? What are your thoughts about it? Do you think this is good for the space? Do you think that this is more of a short term game? Like what is what is your take? So I think what has happened in Web3 marketing is, right, we’ve had, we’ve had the quest maxing phase, we’ve had the airdrop phase, then it evolved into the points phase.
And then the whole meme coin narrative came in, which is sort of a GTM, sort of a tactic. But it evolved into a bigger narrative because utility conversations never made into the picture and people and the idea that meme coins never professed for it made people very comfortable. They knew that this is this is a scheme where I look at better financial incentives.
And meme coins also, in my opinion, apart from a few of them, they don’t have extremely engaged or community that would, you know, do or die sort of situations, because there’s just been so many meme coins getting churned out every single day. Only initially it was just Solana, then Solana was there, then Bane, then Tom had some meme coins. And then everyone realized that, hey, to get that initial TVL and to get that initial people getting on board, we need to have meme coins.
And then a lot of focus of the projects, of the teams, of the traders went in that direction, which made it bigger than a lot of people would have estimated it to be. But as a as a very object, as an individual in this space, I do, you know, at some point will arise questions around, hey, OK, now I hold this token, but what do I do with it? Like what’s the utility of this meme coin that I have right now? And which we’ve seen started happening in the AI space and the AI crypto tokens, right? With the AI schemes starting as sort of a meme coin and then realizing that, hey, now that we have this market gap and all of this interest, we can actually build upon it. All the conversations that are happening around Shiba and Doge, actually trying to figure out utility and because now they have that market gap.
So it’s sort of reverse engineered the process where they got the volumes first. And now they’re realizing what can we do with this? What can we build for all of these holders were already there. So in my mind, it’s still there.
It’s not something like, hey, we built a ZK proof technology, which which is in the initial trenches right now, which will evolve and become a very important core aspect of it. I still don’t see meme coins, and this is a personal opinion, as a core aspect of the crypto industry. To me, it still is a lot like all of those play to earn models, the to earn models that had come in, right? Which was all the rage at one point and sort of fizzled out there.
Now, you won’t see a lot of conversations around play to earn and right to earn and X, Y, Z to earn. So somewhere down the line, we realize that this field will also be saturated when the question is like, hey, now what do I do with the meme coins that I hold? What is this project up? Where does the constant liquidity really come in? Because it’s also sort of far removed from VCs, from investors and all, which is a great thing because it’s comparatively more decentralized from day one as opposed to any project. But when these questions keep coming up, some of the meme coins, which actually will actually build those utilities and then their distribution will gain value out of it.
And some of them will just fizzle out like a lot of other things sort of have. That’s an interesting take that, you know, some of them will be able to reverse engineer and figure out what to sort of what utility to give their coin and some of them will fizzle out. My perspective on this has been very clear.
I think that there is a demand in the market, but demand is there because, you know, perhaps people don’t understand the nature of this technology deeply. And this this seems to be like a quick get rich kind of thing that, you know, that they are able to generate wealth. Yeah, exactly.
Generational wealth. Yeah. That particular paradigm.
Life, money. Yeah. It’s superficial, it’s very interest, short term interest driven because meme coins also do operate and have worked well because of the eco chambers that it has created.
Right. Out of the 100 people talking about a meme coin, if you really look into it, you’ll realize 5 to 10 are actually only invested. The others are not invested.
It’s just cool to talk about it. And in some sense, it’s also easy to talk about it for a lot of folks because it’s not a very advanced technology. It doesn’t require the sort of building skills that you would need.
Now, you have farm.fun and you have Clanker and all of this, which has made it extremely easy. So you realize it’s just very common thing that people would relate on. There were meme coins.
There was this whole dog meme coins and then this whole cat meme coins era. And I was constantly questioning, why? Why is this random hundredth cat related token getting all of this market cap? And what’s driving this? But I think what was really driving this was people sitting on Deckscreener, getting in early at that 50k, 100k volume and then selling and that creating that little short lived buy sell pressure, honestly. Yeah, like you said, I think it is easy to talk about.
It is not something that requires a lot of deep understanding of the technology. In my personal opinion, I feel that this is perhaps not the best way to brand the industry. I think they already have like a perception problem as it is.
And this does not help with getting more people to be actively involved because it’s making us a very grifter industry, you know, that yeah, they look like a bunch of grifters. Yeah. Unserious, right? Like you have to take yourself a little seriously as well.
Yeah, 100 percent. So it is being looked at as this gambler and grifter industry. And then, you know, people talk about all of these massive philosophies, but where it really is all the action happening, it’s with meme coins.
And lately we’ll see that some of the early bidders call that out as well. That, you know, this is not what we as an industry started or what we want to become. So let’s let’s not.
But then it’s just a financial incentive thing. Whatever is gaining traction becomes sort of the holy grail of the moment without looking at, hey, what does this mean for us as an industry in the future, an industry which is supposed to build strong utility, strong use case applications to actually make lives easier? Because I don’t think any meme coin has made anybody’s life easier. It may have made a few people some money, but it hasn’t solved for anything.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I also don’t seem to like I don’t have a very favorable opinion because in general, I think that this is not good for the industry. Some people would say that, OK, this is bringing in some kind of adoption.
I would disagree. I think that, you know, we are as it is battling a perception problem being thought of as completely the entire tech being equated with and as a speculative instrument. So I don’t think this helps us.
And I also feel that, you know, a lot of people are going to lose big and like they did perhaps with the Trump token as well. You know, before the inauguration, the Trump token was launched and then the millennia token was launched. And, you know, that that particular the earlier one lost a lot of its value.
Actually, losing is also being glorified as degenerate, you know, reckless. If you’re losing money, if you’re being reckless with your investments, if you’re buying into tokens without really knowing much about them, then, hey, this is personal. So it’s being glorified in a certain way.
But I think glorifying is stupidity. Yeah. You were you’re saying that, hey, you know what, you did this, you were brave enough to go into it, but not realizing that this was borderline stupid.
Yes, because you’re getting you’re looking at a financial instrument and you were supposed to act like you’re supposed to look at financial investments or any such thing or trading with a certain lens coming from a place of information, coming from a place of analysis and knowing and you’re none of that is happening. That’s the thing that every time things like this happen, we create a perception exactly opposite of what we as an industry would want in the long term. Exactly.
That is why I mean, I don’t feel very favorable. And adoption also, anyone who says to me that, hey, you know, meme coins are bringing the adoption and that the adoption is happening with the wrong idea in mind because you’re giving them the wrong idea of crypto industry. The moment they lose their money and they don’t start, they don’t make money as quickly as possible.
They will not find any interest to stay and build in this industry because they’ve not came for the wrong reasons and then the wrong reason sort of reach at an end point of those. They will they will exit faster than they enter. And they’ll probably take a lot of people whose belief has been broken in the process.
So that adoption, we just don’t need that kind of adoption because it’s it’s going to be for all the wrong reasons. Yeah. So I think we’re kind of aligned there.
And now, you know, I want to touch upon this entire Bhai Kabal and the Bhai cultural phenomenon in the Indian Web3 space. There’s been a lot of like I’ve seen a lot of tweets, a lot of content being generated around it. Again, this was something that I had written a little about.
And, you know, I again think that this is sort of not inclusive and it seems very, very superficial and perhaps, again, not the right way to go about doing things. But again, what is your take on this? I think that, you know, it all worked from, you remember a couple of months ago, there was this time that Indians were getting a lot of hate and not in the Web3 industry. This was happening because a lot of Indians were being put in important leadership positions.
They were getting their entry in important political positions with Kamala Harris and all of those. And that’s where the conversation started, where that, you know, Indians are sort of coming in and overtaking the crucial American spaces and all of that. And that’s where the whole Indian hate began.
And then, of course, as any tech industry, pro-industry is also a subset of it. It sort of entered there as well. And then I don’t even know who started it, probably.
And then Sandeep also was one of the initial people who professed for the Bhai alignment. And then it just started as an emotional movement. Similar movements were happening at that point with the brunette and blondie and all of that.
The Indian community has picked up to it. So initial few people thought, OK, let me put up this idea. And then a lot of people, I wouldn’t say it was herd mentality may be taken as the wrong word, but it was a lot of people following someone without realizing that, you know, what does this have to do? What’s the long term goal of it? So in the short term, it’s all about helping each other in very custom way, that, you know, somebody comes and asks that, hey, I want help with this and then someone will pop up.
But that’s generally what I have seen in any community group, the initial traction, the initial energy, which eventually, because all of these are builders, everybody has their own things to look at. And then the activity may not be as there. The moderators won’t be able to help as much.
I hope that it goes on and eventually it becomes because then the whole pehen ne bola and all of those things were also started. A group was made for it. But I was like, what is this group supposed to do? Is this yet a telegram group with women in it? What’s that group with women in it? Because I have I have I have that problem where too many groups.
And if I want to collaborate, it becomes a little bit difficult. And to keep all of these individual pockets engaged, you’re making it you’re making it difficult for people because they’ll never know where to contribute and where to become an active member. So rather than all of these little pockets popping up, if there was a way for all of them to come and collaborate together without losing their identity, I think that would have helped a lot more.
Because every everything that the whole pehen ne bola meant or the Bhai alignment is supposed to do, we’ve had communities, we’ve had initiatives to do exactly that. Maybe it’s that current vibe that’s getting attraction. And I hope if it’s truly about supporting builders, it continues and it happens.
So in my mind right now, I don’t see it as a very important movement that will truly get more Indians or more support for Indians, not at least at this stage. But I do think that it’s also harmless, that, you know, it may not have repercussions or it may not have that ripple effect of harming something really. I do think that I mean, for them, the idea of Bhai is it’s a gender neutral word and all.
So I don’t I haven’t I think it’s too early to even look at the inclusivity aspect of it. If it is able to help support a few people and if those frameworks really come out, processes really come out that, hey, this way a builder can be helped, this way a founder can be helped. And this is what we did and all of that.
And if that can be reciprocated to the larger audience, wonderful. But at this stage, it it does feel like, you know, the initial enthusiasm and momentum that every community and every movement sort of starts with, but it’s to be seen how long it will continue. So it’s harmless to me.
I don’t think it’s it’s it’s become crucial yet. OK, but what point do you feel that a community’s movement or or any any kind of idea reaches that inflection point? Like what how do you define it? I think this is a very subjective question for any community builder, but because, you know, you have been so entrenched in community building, I would love to understand from you at what point does a community really become substantial? And, you know, you you would think that it’s really being able to make a mark or create a dent. So there are a couple of aspects.
Right. One is sort of reaching a certain critical mass. Right.
And I’m not saying that it always a community always has to become big. No. When I say a critical mass, as in at a point where the community can sort of in in it’s always sort of self-sustain also.
Right. Because I have largely seen communities which are not focused or built around one or few people do better in the long term. Right.
But Superwomen, I face that sometimes because I feel like that it sort of grew and got built initially around me. And by the next thing that I want to personally do is create enough or is have enough co-builders with me, Superwomen co-builders with me where the dependency on me is is never becomes a hindrance. Right.
There are times when we’re doing Superwomen initiatives because largely I’m the one who’s looking at partnerships or sponsorships or the core idea of what we’re going to be doing next. I become that person when it gets dependent on me. And if there’s delays on my end or if there’s some sort of a thought process from my end that goes wrong, it does impact us sort of a ripple effect sometimes.
And I think that that’s with most communities, at least in the ones that we see in the vicinity. They’re all built around one or few people and they haven’t reached that self-sustaining critical mass. And that could be 15 people also.
Right. 15 builders who all think that, hey, you know, if this person’s not available, I can do this initiative and this person is good at this. This person can teach the members this.
I can teach them this. I can do this. I can host this.
All of that. So I think that that’s an important stage for a community to reach, to become crucial, to become consequential, to become important in the larger scheme of things. The second also is we can all start with vibes and getting good people together and all, but eventually a community has to figure out what they stand for.
Right. And who are they doing? Because community is a lot like a product where you need to know what your member persona is. What are these people looking for? Because you try to become everything for everyone.
You’re nothing for no one. And that a lot of communities have. They started with this, but they’re like, oh, let us do this.
We got this opportunity. Let me do an event also for this. We got this opportunity to promote them and for their token launch, let us do this also.
And then no common message, objective, what is this community built for comes around. And a lot of times when I say this, people are like, oh, then you centralize. I’m like, no, like decentralize also has a common objective.
Uniswap also has a common objective. What is decentralized? That is, Ethereum also has an umbrella objective. People at least know what are they getting aligned with and what is this movement, this project, this product is all about and what are we looking to achieve with this decentralization is everybody sort of getting together to achieve this.
So I think that sort of at one point or the other gets needs to get defined and needs to get a little bit structured. The third thing is, and I am a believer of that, is that there needs to be processes and frameworks to align the community. Right.
Right. I mean, a lot of communities, a lot of new members will come in. They will just feel clueless.
They will not know. Now that I’ve entered this community, attended their event or maybe even bought a token and joined their discord or telegraph, now what to do? What do I ask? Can I ask this question? Am I going to make a fool of myself? So creating that environment, a very welcoming environment and also creating those rails for those people that a new member has come in, first few steps that they should be taking. And because once you’ve taken that person there, right, then you sort of increase their chances of staying in the community, of contributing to the community and of deriving value.
Now, this experiment happened with Facebook, where they’re like anyone who comes on Facebook. And Facebook is a very big community only at the end of the day. It’s a publishing platform, but it is a community because to this date, their most success, what really works on Facebook is Facebook groups.
Timelines don’t work. We don’t use our individual Facebook profiles. Whatever it’s being used for still is groups.
And they did this initial experiment where they said that when a person comes into Facebook, logging in is not a matter of activation. When we truly consider that person activated is when they have made seven friends. It doesn’t have to necessarily mean that they have sent out seven friend requests or they have received.
It’s when they have made seven friends, because now that little network or that little flywheel has gotten activated from them, that network flywheel, that they will want to come back again. They have friends who’d updates they’d want to get and all of that. So with community, also loosely put, you have to have an activation journey for a member.
You have to know that, hey, at this point, this member could become activated. And I have to help them reach that point. I have to create a welcome experience.
I have to create that initial educational experience. I have to get them aligned with what this community is about, because otherwise all of your engagement channels will end up becoming phishing channels or spamming channels. And this is something that I can bet my money on that.
Ninety nine percent communities suffer with because members are not self-moderated. And the most important part, which is self-moderation. So when they initially when I talked about self-sustaining, the other thing is once members are aligned that, hey, this is what this community is to achieve, that maybe we all build together, that maybe we all support a project together, that maybe we are holders of a common token together, that maybe we are a community that educates other people like Superwomen, which is sort of a collaboration, regional community.
And there’s DeveloperDAW, which is largely about helping builders and developers. And then there are project communities, there are Polygon Guilds, and then there’s Aptos Summer Schools, all of that. Once members know what they’re aligned with, what this community is for me, what my giver role here and what my taker role here is, they sort of become self-moderated which creates a higher exchange value.
Then they will not end up like, you know, senselessly shilling things and promoting them, they will actually engage in conversations, they will actually try to help each other out, they will actually realize the value of building with each other and all. And that’s where a community truly has, you know, broken out into its useful form. Then these more things that come to my mind, you know, which would say that, hey, now a community has broken into a point where the initial value has been established and now we can look at scaling.
A lot of communities from day one look at scaling. Right. How many members do I have? And this is something, including myself, that I have also done, that I have also in my learning process figured.
And then I realized it will not matter if I have 5,000, 50,000 or 50 women and superwomen. If amongst the 5,000, I can’t see at the end of the day that these 50 women were impacted. But even if I have a cohort of 50 and all 50 are getting impacted, then there’s better value that I’ve created.
That’s why I was saying that I felt like with that smaller cohort of 30, 35 women, we created more value for those women than for the larger superwomen community that we would have created through our other initiatives. Because it was more, there was more alignment, there were more frameworks and incentives in place to get them to do the right thing, to actually motivate them to do the right thing and stop them from digressing and not have it like a shiller tool or a promotional tool or a very, some sort of that, you know, that pseudo, yeah, we are for this sort of an emotional sentiment there. I think you’ve given a lot to sort of chew on, and I’m sure that a lot of community builders will listen and will have a lot to think about after listening to this particular answer.
And that kind of reminds me that, you know, we are sadly running out of time, but I would like to ask you two more questions before we wrap this up. One is, what is your personal opinion on where the industry is heading? Where do you see it going? What are the kind of niches that you think would do really well, say the next 12 to 18 months? So I think there are two directions, right? A larger majority, the quantity of the industry sort of going in the direction of meme coins and this constant yapping and, you know, taking every little, every little milestone as an endowing it out of proportion, right? Because I do agree that, yes, the leader of the free world sort of launching his own token meant something. It was an important milestone.
Probably it isn’t as big as it has been made, in my opinion, because nobody still knows if it’s going to bump, bump or dump in, maybe not in the near future, but at some point. And what’s really the use of it? What is that saying? That is it saying that now the supporters are also, they have some skin in the game or they have some sort of incentive to actually stand up for Trump or to support whatever he’s doing? Because he, whether we like it or not, he is a bit of a great character. So I think there’s this one part of the industry which is, which is blowing a lot of things out of proportion, right? And things which, which is not the core of what crypto really stands for.
Because, yes, ETFs are great and all, but also thinking that institution entry sort of means that we are going a little way, a little bit again towards the whole banking aspect of it. Then there’s this small part of the industry where, not as small, but comparatively small to this bigger bubble crowd where true innovation and building is happening, where the conversation around bad UX has actually reached a point where people are building apps and people are looking at ways to solve for that. And when I was working at Octo and when we were talking about chain abstraction initially, I would also question it a lot.
And a lot of people in the team members would question that, hey, is this a new narrative that we’re focusing on to have that relevant mindshare or that momentum of that, or have that moment mindshare or are we really doing something about it? And then once I was more and more involved, I realized, no, actually their products have been built. The gas station mechanism that Octo has is actually very novel because it has helped me so many times. The mobile native perps, the mobile native decks that Octo built was truly helpful because that got me into futures because maybe I wouldn’t have understood things directly if I’d gotten to Hyperliquid in a web browser format and building those native rewards up.
There was merit to it. So I’m like, yes, there is part of that industry, which is looking at these important problems to solve. The other thing is a lot of web 2 companies, which have the distribution, which have the power to drive the initial attraction are also entering in, right? Whether it be Robinhood or Stripe or Sony or even Jio for that matter in India.
Now, I don’t know what Jio’s incentives are because they’ve got the distribution. They could literally just be building a browser or a token, yet another thing without that level of innovation or those use cases, but that’s what happening in that, what has that sort of put out there that real users will sort of come in. Now, our technology can serve those real users or not is a different question.
But yes, through these companies, these people are sort of coming in. In terms of narratives, like I said, I think the strongest useful narrative that’s out there is crypto AI, because I think they are very complimentary. They support each other’s building, right? Personally, I just sent in my application for a hackathon by Sequoia, which is consumer AI, and I’m looking at a AI driven prediction market.
So the idea there that, hey, you know, when we’re talking about financial incentives, the way crypto can do it, your fear can never. And the way AI can support better insights, better decision making and the ease of agents actually feels useful to me as a person, because I see myself using it. I see myself trying out things, I’m seeing myself build these agents and all.
Of course, there’s going to be a lot of bad actors who are going to create agents for things which are going to be sort of, in the long run, not so helpful. The whole AI girlfriend and all of those aspects and therapy and stuff. I won’t get into that.
But I think the strongest narrative is AI and crypto. Also, at this point in my mind, one of the most useful narratives. DeFi is growing at its pace.
But what Hyperliquid has sort of done, it’s actually established that a good product without the need of a VC can truly build that billions of dollars of wealth. And it has gotten back the innovation that traders sort of wanted, the ease that traders wanted, the sort of liquidity and availability that traders wanted, the functionalities that they wanted. Because I don’t know if you traded on Hyperliquid or looked at futures there and stuff, but there’s actually a lot of interesting pairs.
There’s leverage that you could look at that a lot of other platforms don’t offer. So it is an innovative product. And that has established that airdrop sort of, and when that airdrop happened, a lot of people sort of reverse engineered that, why was it successful and all of those things.
So I think DeFi is also having its moment in some ways or another. The other thing that I feel is, I don’t have an opinion as such a lot on RWAs, because I do think that the adoption cycle has to come from people who have those real world assets or who are in that industry and then they come and tokenize. Someone who starts with that, hey, I’m going to start with the tokenizing process and then look at RWA may not really work.
So it’s a matter of chronology there. Deepin is another thing that I think is an additive that should and would pick up because there’s lots of incentives in truly doing that. Like there’s Wi-Fi Dabba, which is a Deepin startup.
They’re looking at public Wi-Fi networks and stuff. And that industry, if done right, does feel like a win-win situation for everyone for me, because it’s decentralized in the truest aspect. It’s infrastructure, which is something which we can’t not look at.
And there are projects who are doing good work in building in it, you know, with the right sort of traction and innovation that has to be built. Now, if I were to talk about narratives, which maybe may not see a lot of products in, but I think they will really do well One is group trading, which is, if you read like a thesis of a lot of other VCs, they have endured into it that multiple people would want to come together in a group and trade together. So lots of such financial models will evolve, whether it be group trading or betting amongst friends powered by crypto that, hey, I sent to Dhrusha a bet, that, hey, Dhrusha, come bet with me on this thing.
Information finance, which is just a notch above of what prediction markets do, also has a very strong thesis that companies, that people to actually get an opinion of what people think or what direction this thing will go in, would more and more use these opinion trading and prediction market sort of platforms for their own benefit, which is companies putting out that, hey, will this happen? Will this not happen? And sort of that person bringing in that alignment of that financial incentive, because otherwise, if my money is not on it, I could be saying anything So I think those sort of models will evolve. And then, of course, we have social, social 5, which keeps having its moment every now and then. A friend or tech will come up, then something will come up.
But it’s like these little, these are little peaks in a larger peak that we will eventually see, because there was a time that Forecaster was being talked out a lot. Then before that, there was a time when everyone was building on Lens and everybody was realizing the value of it. Then the activity sort of tripped, dipped.
Again, more innovations and features will come in. So I think these are the narratives that will largely sort of prevail. At this point, I don’t know where NFTs are really going or where they go, because in my mind, they feel like a good ancillary for loyalty.
And unless loyalty really comes in, I don’t see a lot of use case or a lot of value coming out of NFTs. But that might be a misinformed or uninformed opinion, because I haven’t studied or looked at NFTs as much. I’ve literally only invested in two NFTs, or I have two NFTs.
One was also a gift, and the other one I invested in across the board. The others that I have are just milestone NFTs, largely. DAOs, again, I am, I think they will be a function of, first, that organizational setups to really happen, and then DAOs becoming in, because the initial idea that we had, which was of the ideal world that, hey, people want to have a say, people want to voice their opinions.
Eventually, we realized that there were so many things happening. There were so many proposals out there. There were so many of these statements that people had to take a stake on.
People just got doing, like, people didn’t want to do that. They didn’t have the kind of time. They didn’t have the kind of expertise for, actually, their vote to matter.
And they didn’t even have the intent to really go out and then participate in all of that, which is what we saw with MetaCartel and all of that, where they sort of became hedge funds, where people were like, hey, you know, I’ve given you my money. Now, be a wealth manager and give me returns of that. The aspect of DAOs sort of fizzled out.
So, I think DAOs will see their moment again, but that will sort of be driven by organizations, corporations sort of forming up, and then the foundation model, you know, how you have Monad as a labs, and then Monad as a foundation, and all of these L1s and L2s. The foundations will sort of evolve into DAO models, and that will work beautifully, because in my experience, I think where the DAO aspects works beautifully, in my little experience and knowledge, is Arbitrum DAO, you know, with their short-term incentive and the long-term incentive programs that they have. The way the DAO proposes, the DAO governance, the activity, the multisig, the vote weightage, all of that is getting counted there, is closest to what I think ideal DAO mechanics would be.
So, I think that that thing will pick up, but it will happen through the foundation. Yeah, this is what I think. Thank you for covering all the niches, and pretty much, I think, very good insights, again, in terms of what you said for DAOs, for NFTs, for deep in AI.
I think AI is going to be one solid narrative in the coming days, definitely. So now, Aditi, because we are completely out of time, I would love to ask you this one question that I ask everybody who comes on the show. You’re somebody who, you know, you said it yourself that it was with a lot of conviction that you, you know, you entered the space, it kind of just happened.
But, you know, you have been here for a while, and you’re still building in the space. You do feel now that, you know, you have a strong conviction backing by your motivation, perhaps, to be building in this space. If you had to, perhaps, give advice to somebody who’s dealing with a little bit of skepticism, and because I started this to change the perception of the space a little bit, what would be your advice to such a potential user or a potential builder so that they can truly start living on block? So I would say that they should, first of all, know it, that this is a very fast moving, constantly evolving industry, right? Coming with that mindset that, you know, not everybody is making money out of it.
It’s the same social media syndrome that we’re suffering in Web3 also, right? Where people on Instagram are living a wonderful life, traveling, weddings, this, that, fun, dinner dates, all of that. And then we think that everybody out there is living their life. And then what am I doing? Crypto also has that projection happening.
And it’s a lot of echo chambers and a lot of projections that are happening in the industry where you constantly feel that there’s this 19 year old, there’s this 13 year old, there’s this 20 year old who’s making so much money, they’re millionaires, and they’re all of these people, and I’m not doing enough. I think that mindset, you know, how in investing, you go with the mindset that this is the money I’m ready to lose, sort of something. So you actually have to come in with that informed, or at least a little bit of pinch of that salt.
Actually, not everybody is actually making a lot of this top of the superficial conversations that are happening when everybody’s sort of engagement farming, everybody’s trying to show they are someone they are getting those successes and wins and all. Because if you think that’s the way then you get into a rabbit hole, where you either end up becoming a DJ or you just lose interest because you’ve lost enough money or you just don’t trust the people who are in this space, the rugpulls you’ve seen and all of that. Second thing is also realize that it’s still it’s, it’s early, I wouldn’t say it’s still very, very early, but it’s early to actually found it’s crypto hasn’t still had its Eureka moment.
It’s had a lot of it moments, but not the Eureka moment where we’ve actually blown out into industry, which has found its use case, the way it happened with the oil industry, the way it happened with automobile industry, the way it happened with EV industry also, right, where we realized that we need to have these and government regulation was supporting it, people were adopting it, the technology, EV as a technology became far superior than the incumbent technology that we had. So we have to realize that crypto is still not only where we are experimenting and learning and doing all of those things. So there will be rugpulls, there will be bad actors, there will be things going wrong.
And you need to know your own appetite to operate. Not everybody has to start with a $5,000 budget and not everybody has to make that 5000 into 100,000. You could just start at something as simple as I’m actually sitting with a friend who started with a $50 and now she’s slowly growing and all of that.
You could literally just start with that small amount. And you may not even have to put in your own money, you could earn your own money, participate in a bounty, do something, at least in my opinion, which is more rewarding, less risky as your initial few steps in the industry, like go do a bounty, create a content, talk to people, something like that, rather than just going and putting in money in a trade where you don’t know anything about it. Because there is content, there are communities, there are people who are teaching the little steps who would help you out.
So yes, trading, everything has to be learned by experiment. But I think when you start your journey, which I tell a lot of other people also that, you know, the best job to start in crypto is with community, because it doesn’t require a set skill set, it actually gets you to meet a lot of people, lots of perspectives and all that you are talking, you are understanding the project, because you have to represent it and all. So similarly, like that job, I say that take things which increase your chances of rewarding you more rather than putting you in a position where you’ve risked a lot of things, and you could lose things.
And this is something that everybody can actually do it for themselves. It’s not very difficult to do it. So just so that you know, your conviction is getting good with the right things.
And you’re not getting, you know, completely bedazzled by the glitter and the glam of the industry of the quick money making schemes and this and that. Yes, experiment with it, don’t be unaware about it. Like it said, right, eventually that it’s not like just completely shut your eyes to the wrongs, be aware of all the wrongs, all the rights, all the grace, but try to optimize yourself in the right zones where the reward may be lesser, may be smaller, may not be financial to begin with, but your chances of having that reward are higher, and then eventually make your way into the trenches of things which become riskier over time and all of that rather than just going straight up into that.
This way what helps is it also sort of it doesn’t take your skepticism away, but it just fully rightfully tries to answer some of the questions or some of the inhibitions that you have, which have built that skepticism for you that, hey, you know, everybody here is a scammer or a lot of projects that do just truck pulls and all. Because when you are say reading up into a draft, content writing into it, getting yourself educated, joining a community, you sort of get examples of the goods that are happening as well. So I actually, and this may be an unpopular opinion, but I do say that, you know, start as a lurker and do that obvious journey of lurker contributor member of the industry, not even just of any community, but a lurker of the industry, someone who’s just looking from the outside, trying to absorb everything, not everything, but a little sparse of it, then becoming a contributor with things that optimize you to get rewarded first, and then eventually becoming a member where you are looking at the full throttle of the industry.
This way, you also look at the tech that blockchain is rather than just the financial system that crypto is. And I think as an industry, all of us want to reach a stage where people say that, yes, blockchain is a tech stack or a technology rather than just saying that it’s cryptocurrency and a financial system. We have to, if not reach, we sort of have to get out of the prominence of financial system to being a technology.
And I think every person who is entering in, if they also have that thought that I have to look at this technology, I have to look at the people in it equally well, as much as looking at the financial incentives, their skepticism would sort of decrease over time. And they would have far more reasons to stick to build and to see long term benefits for themselves. Yeah, I think that that is great advice that you know, there is a certain journey associated with it, take that journey.
And obviously, do your own research, do not play by his narratives, I think it’s important. So a wonderful way to end this episode. Thank you so much, Aditi, for making the time to speak to me today.
This has been a lovely conversation. And I’m sure a lot of community builders and builders in general would be able to glean off a lot of from your insights. Thank you so much, Sureshna.
I had a lot of fun because I think you posed some really interesting questions, you know, they made me think as I was speaking, which were very evident in the pauses that I took, because generally, I just go in a flow. So close to you because a lot of a lot of lot of spaces podcasts, you know, they would ask me a lot of very generic questions, questions that I’ve answered, and numerous people have answered before, right? Yeah, actually want people to sometimes ask my opinion also, on some of these things, because I may not be that big of a trader, I may not have that big of a bag in meme coins, but I have an opinion. And it’s in and it’s informed enough, because I do have a bag in oils and in the blue chip tokens.
So that that’s equally useful for me also, because it made me think, hey, what do I really think about meme coins? I mean, it’s not like I haven’t talked about it. It’s not like I haven’t yapped about it. But what is my stance on it? If I were really up at 3am on that night, would I have brought into Trump is a question that I need to answer for myself as well.
Next morning, I also went around saying, Oh, missed another opportunity to make generational wealth. There’s a part of me and there’s a very big part of me that knows that even if I were up at 3am, I wouldn’t be comfortable enough to just sleep in like that. Yeah, same.
I think so too. I mean, even though I think it was a pretty much similar journey, like, you know, you wake up in the morning and you feel like, okay, you missed another opportunity. But then again, would you would I have really perhaps capitalized on that opportunity is something to think about.
Yeah. All right. Thank you so much, Aditi.
Once again, this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you, Tarusha.